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  2. motherhem

    College Dance Fair(s)

    I took my dd to DTCB this year. Things have improved since Julisha’s 2017 update. They offered more auditions and limited the number of dancers in each audition. All of the auditions included a warm up period before the audition started. It was taught but it was not observed by the colleges. We chose DTCB because, like so many others, we wanted to save money and audition for multiple schools at once. We didn’t get to see the colleges themselves or experience their environment and campus but we couldn’t afford to see everything so, for us, this was a very wise choice. The college fair part was a little overwhelming. It was so crowded and there definitely was not enough time to go to each table to ask questions and some tables had long lines. Sadly, there was no way to get near the SUNY Purchase rep without standing in a very very long line. Fortunately the rep asked anyone who wanted to give them their resume to go ahead and the line thinned down some. I recommended knowing who you want to talk to and having a list to check them off when you get there. Hit the most popular colleges first. I don’t know how it was done it he past but this time if you wanted to be considered for a college acceptance or scholarship during the audition you had to stop by the college table during the fair and hand them your headshot and resume. There was no way to give your resume to every auditioning college it was way too crowded for that We aren’t native to NYC and we stayed a way away from Hunter college where DTCB was hosted. It was pretty exhausting and confusing getting there and the subway doesn’t run all trains over the weekend. One train even changed lines while we were on it. Due to exhaustion we didn’t attend every event/panel and we missed the Saturday night performance unfortunately. We learned a lot about traveling in NYC that weekend. LOL. No one noticed or cared that we missed the panel or the performance However, you are required to attend the college fair to audition so be aware that if you miss the fair they will not give you the materials to audition. There are very vocal about this in the registration materials and in their communications. Fortunately because I hate to be late we left extra early and got there just in time for the fair. Unfortunately some of the college reps had the same problem we did and arrived late so we had to wait in the auditorium for everyone to get set up before we could enter We waited maybe 15-20 mins. The materials said each group had a certain amount of time to be at the college fair but this wasn’t regulated and even though we didn’t see every college we stayed past our end time No one said a word. So the most import part for most of us is the audition results. Here is what happened this year: Results come in beginning the very next day and continue sporadically even a month or two after the audition. Each college has its own timetable. Results will come in via email and snail mail. DD got several scholarship offers. She got some communications that eluded to scholarships but did not straight out make an offer. She did not receive any ‘NO’s’ but we know a girl who did. DD heard from several colleges she did not audition for and even received scholarships from some of them. Some colleges wrote very personal emails directly to my dd and some were form letters. The same applied to the regular mail responses. One college even hand wrote a personal note and sent it in the mail. Yet some colleges did not respond at all. I called Point Park because they were high on my DD’s list to find out why. That’s when I found out some colleges will not give you a response until you apply and are accepted academically. Once dd applied and was accepted we found out that she had received a nice scholarship there as well. So just be aware that some schools won’t tell you a thing until you apply to the college.l and get admitted. The DTCB audition was not an exception in those cases while it was an exception for other schools What Julisha said about SUNY Purchase was correct in our case Their email said they would like dd to come for “callback” audition and they waived the audition fee. However another girl we know got a ‘NO’ via email so not everyone gets the invitation The girl did end up going to audition at the school anyway. So the no was not a hard no. It was just a not this time. It was really nice and a little overwhelming to receive all the communications. I finally put the responses in a spreadsheet format to help sort them out and noted in the sheet whether there were acceptance, scholarships, form letter, or personal letter and then we did research on the colleges. Because some of the earlier posts in this thread mentioned the lateness of DYCB to apply to colleges I wanted to mention that we had plenty of time to apply to all the ones DD wanted to apply to after the audition. However we did fill out the FAFSA October 2nd. It opens Oct 1. I learned from my older children that the earlier you apply the more likely you are to get grant money if you qualify. So having that done helped with her timeline and expedited acceptances. While DD was at the audition, the parents had the option to attend a panel discussion on college degrees, basically BA vs BFA vs conservatory programs. Parents were allowed to ask questions and somewhere in the middle everthing broke down into a discussion on college acceptances, attending colleges getting degrees and getting into companies. There was so much good information in that one meeting. At the time dd (and us) were waffling on what to do next. What we heard in that meeting really helped us decide and put us on her current path.
  3. Derin's Mom

    CNSMDP, Conservatoire Nationel Superior, Paris

    Thank you. Yes, it is a bit tricky to understand the proper age limit to start the school. But turning 14 is the requirement for the auditioning. They say it is a difficult audition but who knows, she may make it. Her current training is in vaganova which will be her greatest challenge I suppose. We do not live in Paris either. We are from Istanbul. But hopefully she may make it there on her own, with our support.
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  5. Thank you for sharing. Her story is inspiring!.
  6. I’m sorry. I just saw this post. My D received audition invitation on Nov. 28th.
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  8. Motherhem--the short story is she received a paid Apprenticeship at a regional company, was moved up to Company during Nutcracker, left that company on her own at the end of the year. Went to another company as a paid Trainee. Was made Apprentice there and then moved up to Company. She is in her 11th year dancing as a company member professionally. As far as college auditions went, she received Academic and Dance scholarships from several colleges and deferred those for two years before she could defer no longer. She takes college classes along with her dancing now. The longer story, I think, is in that Plan A, B, C thread. I look back on that year and do not know how in the world we did it financially, and/or time wise, but we made it. I was, however, thankful that DD2 gave up dancing after high school and DD3 is dancing for fun on her college dance team. Much less stressful for me.
  9. tprice, Yes, had the date and information regarding the check in and class times. I was glad to get it so we can make travel arrangements. I hope you get the day you want. But congratulations to your DD. Best of luck to everyone still waiting to hear.
  10. Momof3darlings, DD is on a similar track as a senior right now. How did it work out for your DD?
  11. GratefulMom

    CNSMDP, Conservatoire Nationel Superior, Paris

    Derin's Mom -- I'm curious to hear about your experiences, as we are a French/american family living in the US. I'm glad I saw your post because I had always thought CNSMDP was for college-aged kids only -- just my own impression from living in Paris, confirmed by their website mentioning of "undergraduate" in English. But when I clicked through past the site to the poster in French, it says aged 14-17! So my long way of saying: I'm no help here but I do hope you share your experiences (it's too late for my daughter to audition in March as the registration ended last month). And, I'm not thinking living in Paris is the right thing for her now, but maybe in the future. good luck to you and your DD!!!
  12. dancer.chick63-my daughter did both her Senior year. You might want to search here about Plan A and Plan B, there will be several people's stories to help you. But for her, she auditioned for college dance programs, for college admittance not in dance programs and also auditioned for companies so that she had the hope of options. She did not consider any unpaid positions, so for her it was a paid company position of some sort or she would go to college. She did not want a gap year or another paid training program at that time. It was a crazy time, but that worked best for the plans she set for herself.
  13. I think this decision tends to be a personal one and the answer will be different for each person. Many dancers audition for both types of programs and then decide. Some things that might impact your choice... The type of company you aspire to join (you have obviously already done research in this area). Finances, scholarships, etc. Type of training and opportunities you will receive (look at your typical day at various programs pre-pro and college- what classes do you have, who are your teachers, performance opportunities, etc.) Your academic accomplishments and aspirations (are you a good fit for college and is college a good fit for you?) The life experience of college is often very different from being in a pre-pro program. Another alternative might be deferring an attendance to a college that accepts you and you wish to attend. Many will allow you to defer a year or two (some longer) if you are doing something that will increase your maturity and/or life education. You may want to do some research into various college and pre-pro programs (there are threads for most of the programs here on BTFD). Remember there is no one right path that leads to that dream job. So, look for one that will be the right fit for you.
  14. ballergem, congrats to your DD! Did your notice actually contain a date? My DD's did not - just said she would get further info 30 days prior. I'm hoping she'll get the date we requested.
  15. DD got her audition date today. 😊
  16. pirouettegirl123

    Using arms from the back

    Okay thank you!
  17. Victoria Leigh

    Using arms from the back

    The issues are definitely connected. These problems are not really unusual for young dancers with long limbed and loose/flexible bodies. Using your back muscles should have been taught a long time ago, when first learning port de bras. However, this is not always done. Think back to some of your previous training, and maybe you will remember teachers who did try to help you find those back muscles! It's not that hard, but it really cannot be taught here. It needs hands on correction and help to find and use them. If your teachers are not doing this, maybe you need to find someone who will.
  18. I am a junior in high school and I've come to a tough decision. I can't decide whether I should attend a college training program and then join a company, or attend a pre-professional or year-round ballet program before trying to get into a company. From what I have read about professionals in the companies I am looking at (Milwaukee Ballet, Boston Ballet, Kansas City Ballet, San Francisco Ballet), pretty much all of them attended year-round programs and only a few attend a college program. I would attend college anyway to get a degree in something other than dance if that affects the answer you might give. If anyone can offer advice of any kind I would really appreciate it. Thanks!
  19. pirouettegirl123

    Using arms from the back

    Hello! I have been told that I use too much of my arms from the elbow down rather than using them from my back. How do I feel the correct muscles? My teacher has explained and she said that sometimes I have it but I still don't completely understand. She also said that a lot of times I straighten my elbows too much and then my hands just dangle off my arms and they're kind of dead-looking. Could these issues be connected?
  20. Great read, and very timely. We are thinking to pull out of YAGP just because it is a distraction to regular training and hasn't been very fun when they did it. Or just going and treating as a total lark and just having fun with it, and getting a bid ole pizza after it's over.
  21. Momof3darlings

    Article: Contending with comps

    Yes, thank you for posting.
  22. 3elizajane, dd got the audition notice today via her email! I am so happy for her.... can hardly wait to see her after school! Best of luck to everyone else waiting to hear.
  23. learningdance

    Article: Contending with comps

    Thanks. . I really agreed with this Unless you find your reward in the actual experience of dancing, it’s not exciting.”
  24. Victoria Leigh

    Article: Contending with comps

    Very interesting article, Ballerinamom2girls. It is important, and I thank you for posting it.
  25. An important topic. http://www.danceaustralia.com.au/expertise/contending-with-comps
  26. Derin's Mom

    CNSMDP, Conservatoire Nationel Superior, Paris

    Thank you. I am hoping to hear responses as well. CNSMDP follows POB school in terms of educational level . Their teachers are mostly from POB. But France seems much closed to abroad compared to other European countries, even Russia. That is why I wanted to hear some, either from students or from alumni.
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