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Ms. KLS

dance steps eliminated from lexicon

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Ms. KLS

I was curious if any ballet moves have been removed from today's curriculum. If so, can we suggest some current moves that could be eliminated?

 

I really find the double rond de jambe en l'air too sloppy done by the vast majority of dancers. Only on a couple did the dancer actually touch the knee on both ronds; then it looks ok. But when other dancers try it and the foot stays about halfway between the knee of the supporting leg and the knee of the moving leg, it just looks like a dog lifting its leg. Ugly.

 

Conversely, I love the small chassé tours -- they seem so light and delicate and quick.

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Mel Johnson

Some of the specific dance steps like the pas de chaconne and the pas de menuet are becoming obsolete, because hardly anybody dances the chaconne or the minuet. I don't believe that steps should go.

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Victoria Leigh

There are some things I wish would go away! :ninja:

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Hans

But the working leg isn't supposed to touch the supporting knee during rond de jambe en l'air....

 

I imagine my list of Things We Could Do Without is pretty similar to Ms. Leigh's! :ninja:

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b1

Gargouillade! Done the right way, it is a wicked, wicked step. It is not choreographed often, and I hated when we had it in any choreography. I think it should be struck from the lexicon, lololol! :lol: However, it is a great step to practice....and it involved those dreaded single AND double rond de jambe en l'aire!! :):P

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citibob

There are some moves that are meant mostly for practice, and some that are meant for performance. A practice move doesn't need to look good, it just needs to work your body the right way, and could stay in class for a long time in spiteof lack of stage presence. An example of a practice-only move is flic-flac.

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Memo
Gargouillade! Done the right way, it is a wicked, wicked step. It is not choreographed often, and I hated when we had it in any choreography. I think it should be struck from the lexicon, lololol! :D However, it is a great step to practice....and it involved those dreaded single AND double rond de jambe en l'aire!! :):D

 

 

Hey how would you do Giselles variation from Act 1 without a gargouillade.

 

I could live without frappes. I have to force myself to give them class. They always look bad to me.

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Hans
Hey how would you do Giselle's variation from Act 1 without a gargouillade.

 

Or the coda of the Odalisque pas de trois from Le Corsaire!

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vrsfanatic

Memo, I am not aware of Gargouillade in Giselle's variation Act 1? Which version are you discussing?

 

The step is definitely wicked, but fabulous when done nicely!

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Victoria Leigh

I don't know of any gargouillade in Giselle anywhere! Definitely not in any version of her Act I variation that I have ever seen. Memo, is it possible that someone has made the contretemps in the beginning sequence into a gargouillade? I can't imagine any other place for it.

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lampwick

I vagely recall this step being performed at NYCB in a Balanchine ballet...but don't remember which one.

 

I'm always super impressed when I see a dancer executing this correctly. Takes a real mastery of technique and speed to do these right....and they look pretty cool.

 

I LOVE double demi ronde de jambe en l'air at the barre. That one really gets my hips secured for adagio extensions.

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ami1436

Lampwick,

 

Off the top of my head I can think of gargo-yucks (!!! :) ) in Tchaikovsky pas de deux and in Sugar Plum Fairy variation in the grand pas....

 

I always feel like a wet, uncoordinated dog when I attempt them. I can think of some dancers that I've seen that have done them nicely, but I don't think I've seen one done and thought: beautiful, textbook even... Then again, if I did see one even distantly close to being that nice, I'd probably block it from my memory out of jealousy and fear that the standard was indeed *that high*....

 

:crying:

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Victoria Leigh

They are in a LOT of Balanchine ballets, but I don't think they were used in the Romantic period :pinch:

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Dansant

Tonight my class nominated pas de basque battu for elimination.

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silvergreydancer
Lampwick,

 

Off the top of my head I can think of gargo-yucks (!!! :P ) in Tchaikovsky pas de deux and in Sugar Plum Fairy variation in the grand pas....

 

I always feel like a wet, uncoordinated dog when I attempt them. I can think of some dancers that I've seen that have done them nicely, but I don't think I've seen one done and thought: beautiful, textbook even... Then again, if I did see one even distantly close to being that nice, I'd probably block it from my memory out of jealousy and fear that the standard was indeed *that high*....

 

:wink:

I believe that the Nutcracker version with Anthony Dowell (Royal Ballet) has this step in the grand pas. The Ballerina is Lesley Collier.

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