Claude_Catastrophique Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 Cut out from the "head-at-the-barre"-topic: I wrote/asked: I have been re-thinking it and I have another question if you do not mind asking me: Does it works the same way for pad de bourré that start with the leg à la seconde? I mean, you turn the head towards the foot that is in front when coming from à la seconde to fifth position or coupé? vrsfanatic wrote: It is similar in pas de bouree enface and changing from epaulement to epaulement. When introducing pas de bouree changing feet at the barre, at first no head is discussed. Once the students understand the correct pattern of the legs, placement of the cou de pieds and the landing of the pas tombe, the head is introduced. Then it is brought to the centre without epaulement, with the usage of the arms. Once this is all understood, epaulement is then introduced. With epaulement the eyes pass front on both cou de pieds and then the head turns in the direction of the front leg on the pas tombe, en dehors and en dedans. If you would like to continue the discussion of pas de bouree however, it might be best to begin a new topic. Thanks for your answer. As far as I have understand, you are refering to the ending of the pas de bourré, is that right? What about the opening? Quote Link to comment
vrsfanatic Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 Pas de bouree changing feet is the name of the simplest pas de bouree that changes feet in the Vaganova program. It begins in demi plie sur le cou de pied back (or front) and finishes in demi plie sur le cou de pied back (or front). Pas de bourees with preparation tendu side can change feet or not change feet. The usage of the head is related to rond de jambe en l'air and double frappe side with rounded arms or allonge which has an entirely different set of rules then battement tendu. Now isn't this opening a can of worms! When the legs change this pas de bouree is called pas de bouree dessous. It is also taught entournant. Generally speaking, when the leg opens from the back to direction side the head turns toward the open leg with 2nd position arm form allonge and when the leg opens from the front the head turns in the direction of the open leg with rounded arms in 2nd. With each cou de pied the head is directed enface in preparation for studying the movement entournant. Since I opened the can maybe I had better amend the tendu at the barre discussion to include the usage of the head with bends of the body with rounded arms and allonge! I can tell there are worms jumping from every corner. Let me know. Quote Link to comment
Hans Posted August 13, 2010 Report Share Posted August 13, 2010 When the legs change this pas de bouree is called pas de bouree dessous. It is also taught entournant. Wouldn't it be pas de bourrée dessus if the dégagé goes over (5th back to front) and then pas de bourrée dessous if it goes under (front to back)? Quote Link to comment
vrsfanatic Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 Thank you Hans for the correction. When I was writing the response I was in a hurry and knew I would make a mistake, so I actually thought while writing I had better leave this one for now. Honestly, too much brain power used in one sitting this morning! Funny I thought the mistake would be in which direction and which leg pointed where. I never thought to take a more careful look at the name of the step. You are absolutely correct. The name of the movement is pas de bouree dessus - dessous changing legs. Quote Link to comment
Hans Posted August 14, 2010 Report Share Posted August 14, 2010 It is certainly very complicated, and I (and I'm sure many others) am grateful that you have written it down with such clarity. Quote Link to comment
Claude_Catastrophique Posted August 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Thanks for your replies! Yes, I can see the worms coming from every corner but it made things clearer now (at least it made me realize that it is a bit more complicated that I suspected). Quote Link to comment
vrsfanatic Posted August 16, 2010 Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 Claude_Catastrophique it is not so complicated but everything is intertwined and connected in someway. It is quite difficult to take things out of order and write easily about it without making twists and turns. I enjoy trying though. Quote Link to comment
Claude_Catastrophique Posted August 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted August 16, 2010 You are right about that one. Once you have a nice overview you can see how things are connected. I have learnt that from the "head at the barre"-thread. If you don't mind, I will ask you even more questions about such things, I am just worrying to steal your time. They are very interesting for me to read tough. Sometimes I need to have things written down and do it slowly with thinking about them. Otherwise, like in class, I just do them without thinking too much. But when I had to teach, suddenly all of these questions came up and I really hope that my teachertraining will go so much into the details like I wish! And, afterall, I hope that I have a teacher like you I can ask such things and get so clear answers. Quote Link to comment
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